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Norwalk ‘black caucus’ votes against contractual obligation, says urban core needs money, too

NORWALK, Conn. — Norwalk seems to find money when it needs it – but not for the urban core.

So said Common Councilman David Watts (D-District A) Tuesday, thoughts that were backed up by Councilwoman Sharon Stewart (D-At Large) and Councilwoman Phaedrel “Faye” Bowman (D-District B), in protesting $1.4 million of budget transfers to cover Norwalk Police Department expenses.

The hours’ worth of commentary touched on Head Start funding and the value of educational programs versus policing, but the “methodology” was dismissed after the meeting by Councilman John Igneri (D-District E) and Councilman Bruce Kimmel (D-At Large) as being designed only to catch attention.

“This is doing committee work on the Council floor, simply because it’s on TV,” Kimmel said.

“The parties that are raising questions are not at the committee meetings they are supposed to be at,” Igneri said.

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Common Councilman David Watts (D-District A).

Indeed,  as the meeting began, Watts wanted to make sure it would be on television, as the video for the previous Council meeting did not work.

The budget transfers were broken into two items. First came $789,117 to cover the cost of the recently approved police contract. Kimmel, the Finance Committee chairman, retrod some of that territory: the net cost to the city is less than the cost of inflation, the police are getting a 2.25 percent raise but there are savings in health benefits and pension payments.

The $789,117 is money that is “basically owed to our police officers,” Kimmel said, as it is part of the contract that only Watts voted against.

Majority Leader Doug Hempstead (R-At Large) pressed that point, saying it would be against Connecticut law to not fund the payments. Finance Director Thomas Hamilton said not approving the transfers would require the police department to take some “pretty drastic action,” such as laying off the entire police force for June.

The money was set aside for the eventual settling of the contract, he said, with $308,645 from the 13-14 budget and $480,472 from the 14-15 budget.

“Norwalk always seems to find money when they want to fund things,” Watts said. “… Money magically appears and it’s always available, but when there’s other issues that concern other areas the money can’t be found.”

It’s a pattern that Council members are threatened with the prospect of something terrible happening if they don’t vote for an item, he said, referring to “scare tactics” and saying that Norwalk needs to change the way it does business.

Setting aside money was good financial practice and the real decision was when the Council approved the contract, Hamilton said.

Mayor Harry Rilling pointed out that the cost of the contract would have been the same if it had not remained unsettled, if the money had been paid to the officers all along, as they worked.

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Councilwoman Phaedrel “Faye” Bowman (D-District B).

“Either way there would have been a million dollar increase?” Bowman said.

It would have had the same impact on the budget, Hamilton said.

“We talk about spending I think that’s just ridiculous. … I just don’t understand,” Bowman said.

It’s standard practice to set aside money for a contract, done in all cities and probably small towns, and it would be irresponsible not to, Kimmel said. Plus, Connecticut has binding arbitration, which forces two parties to come together to find a reasonable settlement, he said.

“You can’t go in there asking for zeros or you lose. You really lose,” Kimmel said, going on to say “you’d be laughed out of the room.”

“Anyone who thinks we’re going to get under one percent or zero percent, that’s just pie in the sky and, in my opinion, it’s anti-labor,” Kimmel said. “People have to live. They have to live, they have to make a living, they have to keep up with inflation, they have to pay their health care bills, they have to send their kids to school. What do you mean, zero-zero-zero because you don’t like the police? Is that the way it’s going to be?”

This was all just rehashing old business, going over an argument that was had in January, Council President Jerry Petrini (R-District D) said. Eloisa Melendez (D-District A) agreed.

“If you didn’t vote for police contract then it’s fair to not vote for something like this,” Rich Bonenfant (R-At Large) said. “ … But anybody here that voted for the police contract had to know the money had to come and it had to be made up, and it was sitting in an account just for that purpose. I just want to say if you voted for the police contract you sort of have a little obligation here to follow up and pay for what you voted for.”

Watts, who has been careful to allow others to speak since being rebuked as violating Council rules, then had his chance to express his offense to the anti-labor comment.

“In the nation right now there is tension with black Americans and police, but that’s not our city and please don’t paint any of our Council members as anti-police because that isn’t true and that’s wrong,” said Watts, who mentioned twice during the meeting that he might not be on the Council much longer, meaning he might not run for re-election.

Watts, Bowman, Stewart and Minority Leader Travis Simms (D-District B) – who said nothing throughout the meeting – voted against the expenditure.

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Councilman Bruce Kimmel (D-At Large) .

Next up was a $550,233 budget transfer, which Kimmel described as “a little bit of a lot of things that the police require because of the retirements, the unanticipated retirements.” That included severance payments, police academy expenses and anticipated overtime wage settlements.

“We have been watching the amount of money allocated to the police department increase while other areas we don’t see a response,” Bowman said. There ought to be money for social programs and education, she said. The analysis that had been promised in January about the amount of money spent on police overtime versus the cost of hiring more officers had not been delivered, she said.

“In order for me to support something, what I need to see is a working relationship and some collaboration between all of the Council members, the mayor and the department heads, which we do not see, so that we can figure out how to stop wasting funding so that there is money left over to fund social programs, which apparently there is not, whenever we ask,” Bowman said.

And, “The more cost effective option is actually to invest in education and in social programs rather than the justice system,” Bowman said. “So I don’t understand if we have a money problem why we are throwing more money at the police department instead of actually focusing on creating programs and focusing more on funding education opportunities like Head Start.”

Head Start funding was drastically cut under former Mayor Richard Moccia in the wake of a scathing federal audit of Norwalk Economic Opportunity Now (NEON) and $2 million was cut from the city budget by the Common Council.

“I don’t know how established program like Head Start receives the same amount of money as the South Norwalk Community Center,” Bowman said.

“Crime prevention should include programs,” Bowman said. “If it’s just going to go to overtime, that’s ridiculous.”

Watts challenged other Council members to name a company that is paying overtime.

“Cablevision,” Glenn Iannaccone (R-At Large) said.

“Starbucks,” said another.

“The reality is overtime in the corporate world is somewhat done away with,” Watts said.

He returned to a phrase he used months ago: “pork” in the budget.

Kimmel asked Police Chief Thomas Kulhawik to repeat commentary from January – it’s cheaper to pay overtime than it is to hire new officers, Kulhawik said.

“It’s only certain people that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars of overtime,” Bowman said. “I don’t know who is supposed to be anti-police. I actually did talk to police officers about the contract. One, they said they didn’t care whether we did it now or not because they have been working without it for too long and they didn’t like the contract in the second place.”

“It is easy to pigeon hole a minority at the time when there is heightened concern and that is not true,” Watts said. “People, I respect the police, I depend on the police, they are true professionals. I think we have the best police officers here and we will continue to support them. What we won’t support is policies that we feel don’t go far enough and also a system where funds cannot be applied to the urban core.”

Stewart’s only commentary revolved around Head Start.

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Councilwoman Sharon Stewart (D-At Large).

“When you cut the Head Start money you understaffed Head Start,” Stewart said. “That’s what happened. When you understaffed Head Start not only did the teachers suffer, the children suffered also. Then you also placed the Head Start workers, you put them back on DSS services because they couldn’t afford to pay for their own medical, they couldn’t afford to put food on their tables either so they had to go back to receiving food stamps. That’s what happened when you cut the money for that program. Then you put a whole bunch of people out of work. That’s what happened, now that was a shame but I don’t see anybody making a plea for that.”

Norwalk is currently funding the Norwalk Housing Authority’s Head Start program at about $350,000, Hamilton said.

“We sat down with them and reviewed their budget and found places where some things had been double counted or there were some items that they agreed didn’t need to be funded by the city, and so the number we settled upon, I believe, was a number the Housing Authority had essentially agreed that was the amount of money that was needed to support the program,” Hamilton said.

“Our commitment was to meet and provide them with money as they need it?” Rilling asked.

“Right,” Hamilton said.

The Housing Authority didn’t even know what it needed, said Stewart, who used to be a social worker for NEON. “They were totally understaffed when you went there.” The toddler program hadn’t been open and there are people with master’s degrees making $14 an hour, she said.

“They don’t even know what to do with that program and that was proven also,” she said. “… I think we need to put another committee on that.”

Simms, Bowman, Watts and Stewart voted against the budget transfer.

Igneri said he respected their argument but, “Their methodology doesn’t work because the Council is not the place to be debating these unless you want to be on the front page. If you want to discuss these items and make change, constructive change, they should be at the committee meetings.”

The issues have been discussed at the Finance Committee meetings, and numerous police officers were questioned, he said.

“For those who are on the committee and attend, we had all the answers. So I am really dismayed that we take an hour to go over things that were discussed for months in committee meetings,” Igneri said.

Watts is on the Finance Committee. According to meeting minutes, he has been at one of the last seven meetings, and was late to the one he did attend.

Kimmel took another approach. He was part of a Democratic minority when he was on the Common Council from 1997 to 2001, he said.

“Whenever there were programs that I wanted to push, that I wanted funded, I always argued for higher operating budgets,” Kimmel said. “You have to understand how government works. It’s either in the budget or it’s not in the budget. If you want things done often you argue for a higher spending cap and then take your argument to the Board of Estimate and Taxation. You just can’t wait until halfway through the fiscal year and then start saying we didn’t fund this we didn’t fund that. There was no argument during the debate on the operating budget to increase it. In fact, they argued that it was too high. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, and that’s what’s going on here. You have to approach this stuff in a responsible way.”

 

Comments

38 responses to “Norwalk ‘black caucus’ votes against contractual obligation, says urban core needs money, too”

  1. Stephanie

    Lights, camera, action! Once again, Mr. Watts doesn’t attend committee meetings and puts on a show to get press. This has to end!

  2. John Levin

    Bruce Kimmel is a class act.

  3. Non partisan

    Why would we want to fund program with limited results? Please read the government’s report on the effectiveness of Head Start – particularly the fall off of positive results measured at the third grade level.

    See link to executive summary:

    http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/opre/head_start_executive_summary.pdf

  4. EveT

    We need to elect Council members (and BOE members) who understand how to do their homework and due diligence at the time when an issue is being dealt with, not wake up at the last minute and take everyone’s time questioning things that were already determined.
    How much more obvious can it be that we’ve got people representing us who don’t understand the basic process of how these elected bodies work?

  5. Yankee Clipper

    Sounds like those four are still crying sour milk over the corrupt NEON. Sharon, wake up, NEON is not coming back. And Igneri is right, you need to figure out how the process works and get the votes from other council members to help with your agenda … doing so mid-year at a Council meeting is not how it is going to get done.

  6. Sono

    I think everybody should have voted against the money like the black caucus did. Then we should’ve laid off the PD for the entire month of June and let everybody police themselves. Worked well in Baltimore the other night. Everything is about race (can’t go 3 days without a race related story on NON). After a while, you become numb to it. Only 2 days left to get in the FD bashing story for the week. Lets see what happens.
    And I agree, Kimmel is a class act. Can’t say the same for the others.

  7. Faye

    http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/opre/resource/the-role-of-program-quality-in-determining-head-starts-impact-on-child-development-third-grade-follow-up-to-the-head-start

    The study actually says that high quality Head Starts produce results while low quality ones dont. So to underfunded it so that it cannot be high quality is to throw away the money that is already being put towards it.

  8. Faye

    1) Head Start is not being run by NEON any longer so to penalize a totally separate entity is ridiculous. (By the way SONO CC has never produced an audit and they are funded).

    2) Why should the City be funding uniforms for Police when our band students have to come out of pocket for theirs and there is talk of pay to play for athletes. That’s $100,000 right there that should go towards the youth.

  9. Faye

    And I know my colleagues and I have been asking for program and capital improvement funds for the urban core sense Day 1, two budgets ago. So don’t anyone act like this is new. It’s been said in committees and we’ll say it on the Council floor and we’ll keep saying it until something gets done.

  10. Be Constructive

    David Watts can never focus on the right issue. A few things should happen. We need to focus on commercial development. This will expand our tax base and let us fund more program for inner city children. I think everyone agrees that these programs help and if they are managed properly and ethically not like NEON was – they should be funded.

    David Watts goes out and organizes with the Unions but in his comments last night he is saying not to fund what is in the union contracts. That makes no sense and that is typical Watts. This also clearly shows that unions do need reform. Teachers, police etc all need to be paid a fair and market wage but the unions have taken this further and have held cities hostage when times get tough. This does not mean that teachers and police shouldn’t be entitled to fair pay. They should be. But pensions need to stop. We are a 401k or 403K nation now and union employees need to join that team.

    Let’s all hope this November that the voters do the right thing and vote Watts out of office.

  11. Sharon Stewart

    Please stop referring to certain members of our Democratic Party as the Black Caucus as we represent everyone. (Laborers, Business Owners, Home Owners, and Senior Citizens included).
    As the urban core is a very diverse portion of the Norwalk Community, this has nothing to do with race.
    There is a misconception that this discussion was never approached before, it was, but it fell on deaf ears. I was commenting on Head start after Norwalk Housing took over, and the funds were drastically reduced, based on a report that was full of holes.
    please also note as a council we all sit on different committees and cant always attend committee meetings if your committee meeting falls on the same evening. There are evenings where we have special meetings to hold public hearings, or finish something before it goes to council, these meetings may coincide with other committee meetings as well.
    Please also know this was not a grandstand or a show for the cameras, Mr. Watts as well as other members have had the same sentiment regarding this issue from day 1.

    To my Constituents please keep in mind everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but lets find out the why before we speak out against one another.

  12. Sharon Stewart

    I read the Head Start report, it doesn’t show Head Start isn’t successful,
    it is showing more work needs to be done once the child passes third grade.
    Head Start is very successful in preparing the child for Kindergarten.

  13. Non partisan

    The report is clear. And there is an ongoing national debate on the issue of the effectiveness of Head Start.
    In a federally funded study there were only marginal differences in scholastic achievement between children that attended head start and those that didn’t. The differences are also related to other programs the child may or not have been in and most importantly parental involvement in their child education. And yes- like any statistical study it can be screwed one way it the other.

  14. Stephanie

    Miss Stewart, all do respect, from what I’ve read, you only have represented the African American community. My hope is that the voters remember that when you run at – large again.

  15. rburnett

    Bring in the clowns! What a circus .

    Watts and Bowman; what social programs or improvements to the urban core have you EVER proposed? You might want to start attending your council committee meetings. You might learn something.

  16. Piberman

    The absence of black owned businesses in the City ought spur some creative thinking at City
    Hall lest the community continue to stagnate and its most capable youngsters continue to leave Norwalk for more attractive environs.

  17. Sharon Stewart

    Sorry Stephanie you have never read anything about Sharon Stewart fighting race issues, I fight for social justice for everyone.
    As I stated before the urban core is not made up of one particular race, it actually consists of a very diverse mix, I merely want to see more improvement, not just commercially, I want to see better educational curriculums for our charter schools, more help for our seniors with blight situations, more work for union workers, more educational trainings for adults. this has always been my platform no race indicated other than the Human Race!
    As a Social Worker and former Shop Steward I fight for the people.
    yes I understand this was a union contract in question but I also attend the meetings and speak about the shortcomings allotted to the urban core, or fight for business owners to have the same rights as property owners when it comes to city ordinances just to name a few.
    please stop implicating the race card, for me it never existed!

  18. DeeerMooon

    @Sharon Stewart
    > Please stop referring to certain members of our Democratic Party as the Black Caucus

    You probably want to direct that sentiment at your colleague Mr. Watts rather than the media and commenters who are only using a description that was coined by your colleague.

    Are you saying that no such caucus exists? Mr. Watts certainly seems to think it does, and he also seemed to include you in such a caucus in the following example. I don’t recall any objections to his use of the name at that time:

    “Tonight, the Black Caucus voted against the capital budget. Why? Harry Rilling continues to neglect the urban core,” Watts said.

    https://nancyonnorwalk.com/2015/02/watts-bashes-rilling-operating-budget-as-council-sets-spending-cap/

  19. Kevin Di Mauro

    @Sharon Stewart

    Thank you for your representation on the Common Council. Although I am a voter in District E, as a Norwalk taxpayer, I did appreciate your vote opposing the Oak Hills Park Authority’s Master Plan. I also give thanks to David Watts, Eloisa Melendez, Travis Simms, and Faye Bowman who were the only other council members to oppose it. My own council members in District E were absent for this very important vote which approves spending millions of taxpayer dollars on a golf course. I along with most of Norwalk’s taxpayers do not play golf. Thanks again.

  20. From the viewpoint of the Norwalk School System, the need for quality Pre-K education is clear. There are several initiatives in the works to address this (see https://nancyonnorwalk.com/2014/06/norwalk-gets-70-new-pre-k-slots-for-low-income-children, https://nancyonnorwalk.com/2015/01/set-backs-delay-new-norwalk-special-education-facility-to-august-2016), and the school system is working with umbrella organization Norwalk ACTS on a host of education-related activities, many focused on Pre-K (http://www.thehour.com/news/norwalk/norwalk-acts-first-act-report-details-state-of-norwalk-s/article_a0748f28-0dc5-508f-9d14-08e30ba2cb94.html).

    However, one Pre-K program is clearly ineffective, and needs to be either fundamentally changed or replaced – Head Start. While politically popular, it has nevertheless been proven in study after study not to work. We need to focus our energies on other Pre-K options. Regarding some statements made above:

    Faye – “The study actually says that high quality Head Starts produce results while low quality ones dont. So to underfunded it so that it cannot be high quality is to throw away the money that is already being put towards it.”

    Faye, you’re citing a different study than that cited by “non-partisan”; s(he) cites the massive 2010 Head Start study, while you are citing the much smaller 2014 study. But even the 2014 study does not say that “high quality … programs produce results”; in fact, it says the exact opposite. This is the full Conclusion section from that 2014 study, quoted verbatim:

    “Applying these analytic innovations to the experimental HSIS evaluation data, we find little evidence that Head Start’s impact varies systematically by the level of quality in the program for the available, limited quality measures. The frequency of statistically significant differences in impacts by quality levels is no greater than one would expect to observe by chance alone when no true differences exist. The one exception to this pattern is the discovery that, for 3-year-olds, lower exposure to academic activities is associated with more favorable short-run impacts on social development. THERE IS ALMOST NO INDICATION THAT EITHER HIGH OR LOW QUALITY HEAD START IN ANY DIMENSION LEADS TO HEAD START IMPACTS THAT LAST INTO THIRD GRADE FOR EITHER AGE COHORT, consistent with the overall findings of the Head Start Impact Study not disaggregated by quality level. [Emphasis added].

    Sharon Stewart – “I read the Head Start report, it doesn’t show Head Start isn’t successful, it is showing more work needs to be done once the child passes third grade. Head Start is very successful in preparing the child for Kindergarten.”

    Again, one needs to actually READ the report. In fact, the 2010 study (and a follow-up 2012 study) both concluded that Head Start had practically no impact on student performance in elementary school – an astounding admission to be made by the very agency (HHS) that administers the program, on which over $180 billion has been spent since its inception.

    Forgive the length of this post, but the number of measures on which Head Start was evaluated by HHS – and found ineffective – is stunning.

    For the four-year-old group, compared to similarly situated children not allowed access to Head Start, the 2010 study found that access to the program failed to raise the cognitive abilities of participants on 41 measures. Specifically, the language skills, literacy, math skills, and school performance of the participating children failed to improve. Also for the four-year-old group, access to Head Start failed to have an effect for 69 out of 71 socio-emotional, health, and parenting outcomes. The three-year-old group did slightly better; but even there, access to Head Start failed to have an effect for 66 of the 71 socio-emotional, health, and parenting outcomes studied. See http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/opre/hs_impact_study_final.pdf.

    For three year-olds, the 2012 third-grade study assessed 11 outcomes for the original three- and four-year-old cohorts. Access to Head Start for each group had no statistically measurable effects on all tested measures of cognitive ability, including numerous measures of reading, language, and math ability. For measures of parent-reported social-emotional outcomes, access to Head Start for the three-year-old cohort failed to affect four of the five measures. For this cohort, Head Start failed to affect four measures of parental-reported problem behaviors. For the four-year-old cohort, access to Head Start failed to affect four of the five parent-reported social-emotional outcomes.

    For third grade, access to Head Start had no statistically measurable effect on the 10 teacher-reported measures of social-emotional development for the three-year-old cohort. However, for the four-year-old cohort, out of 10 measures, access to Head Start is associated to statistical significance with one harmful impact – teachers reported “strong evidence of an unfavorable impact on the incidence of children’s emotional symptoms.” Access to Head Start for this cohort had no beneficial or harmful impacts on the remaining nine teacher-reported measures. For child-reported measures of social-emotional outcomes, access to Head Start had no statistically measurable effect on the four outcomes for the three-year-old cohort. On the other hand, access to Head Start for the four-year-old cohort appears to have had one statistically significant harmful impact—children in the third grade with access to Head Start reported worse peer relations than their counterparts. Similar results are found throughout the study. See http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/opre/head_start_report.pdf.

    I appreciate the desire to focus limited local tax dollars where they can do the most good, and I certainly will make my arguments for an educational focus, as I have for years. But let’s focus on educational initiatives that WORK – sadly, Head Start is not one of them.

  21. Bill

    poor people’s social services vs. inflated union wages/benefits

    This will continue to be the story in CT, RI, MA, NY, NJ until we change collective bargaining and don’t allow unions to corrupt our politicians.

  22. Faye

    I think before one claims one Pre-K program is better than the other, one would need to compare the research however I don’t know any other Pre-K program that has done this level of analysis…If you compared all Pre-K programs that serve low-income students, through actual research, you might find that Head Start IS the most efficient.

    I studied Quantitative Research for the Social Sciences and often good programs do not show statistical significant results but are still good. Take DARE for example. Research didn’t find it statistically effective however we know that the DARE cops have the best relationships with the youth and communities and that is very valuable.

  23. Piberman

    Reading these comments by our Democratic Councilmen suggests the Democratic Party leadership ought be embarrassed by some of their elected officials. Coherent presentations ought be a requirement for elected office.
    Kudos to NON for reporting Council “discussions”.

  24. Faye

    And just to be clear all studies found Head Start effective in several areas. Statistical Significance is how can we put it, the Gold medal while effective is say the Bronze. However, Bronze is still good (worth Mayoral recognition – as we gave the NHS a Mayoral Proclamation for a bronze medal).

    http://ies.ed.gov/ncee/wwc/sitesearch.aspx?Search=dare&website=NCEE%2fWWC&x=-777&y=-29

  25. Kathleen Montgomery

    Faye, I sincerely appreciate your passion for serving children in a meaningful way. As a researcher and an educator, I think we can both agree that the teachers make a preschool environment great, good, or not-so-good. However, Mike Lyons’ interpretation of the Head Start studies is spot on. Why? Head Start has not trained teachers in any significant way with best practices in mind.

    On the other hand, NAEYC (National Association for the Education of Young Children) is regarded as the gold standard in the field. Norwalk has 20+ NAEYC accredited preschools, including Norwalk Housing Authority Head Start/School at Ben Franklin. The accreditation process is rigorous and includes proper training for teachers and program delivery practices that work.

    Other Head Start Programs and any new pre-K programs should be NAEYC approved in my view. It costs money for the site visit (which occurs after directors and teachers have followed specific NAEYC guidelines), but it’s a drop in the bucket compared to simply putting more money in existing or new Head Start programs.

  26. Non partisan

    Dear elected officials
    With all do respect head start is not an effective program as per the government agency that funds it. It is still around because it has political backing and many parents like it for the free child care, or the lack of an alternative program.

    As an elected leader please do your homework before you start pontificating on how good a truly ineffective program is. Moreover- please don’t use use a budget transfer process to honor an approved union contract to try to make a point that more money should be spent on children. To those that are knowledgeable in governmental funding you look opportunistic at best. At worst you look like you should not be in a position of leadership.

  27. Are you kidding?

    It is a good idea to train the teachers to best practices. I would also question NHA abilities to give an accurate figure for the amount of money they need.

  28. MollyB

    The DTC Chairman and Eloisa Melendez are members of “the Latino Caucus.”which is a state wide political group that focuses on Latino/ Latina issues. Rev. Bruce Morris is the Chairman of the Black and Latino Caucus in Hartford. Does this mean these politicos only represent their race? The answer would be NO!

    Putting “black caucus” in the headline makes people want to read it -but, it has very little to do with the story. Just saying!

    It’s not about race its about quality of life Wake up!

    1. @ “MollyB”
      “Black caucus” wasn’t put into the headline to get people to read it. “Black caucus” was used to describe a group of people who are voting in unison, consistently against everyone else, and talking about the same issues. David Watts labeled the group the “black caucus.” He’s responsible for the characterization.

  29. Kevin Di Mauro

    @Piberman

    I found the comments by the Democratic minority to be extremely coherent. Sorry to disagree with you my friend.

  30. MIMI

    I was asked to take a look at this article and see what I thought about the comments. I really can not believe that adults are bickering back and fourth like high school students on Facebook.

    First let me say thank you to all of the council members. A lot of time is taken away from their personal lives to carry out this duty.

    It’s not always popular to make the decision that you feel strongly about, and this had to be a tough one, since it’s part of the union contract to provide the money for the uniforms. However since someone compared this to Baltimore, (which is crazy) I would say the sooner we start educating the kids the better. If the head start program is not funded; where are those children going to go. How will the minimum wage parent find suitable childcare? There is a bigger issue here than just the fact of the head start program. If the program in Norwalk is not working fix it!! Elimination is not the answer..

  31. WOW just WOW

    Mr Watts is 100 percent correct.
    “The reality is overtime in the corporate world is somewhat done away with,”
    It’s time we STOP paying cops six figures. They are simply not worth that type of pay, considering the required education for a Norwalk cop is a GED.

  32. mollyB

    Thank You, Nancy for the response and your hard work. However, the article seems a little slanted away from the real issue. Some people want contracts and city business to be done behinds the scenes without meaningful debate. Thats just wrong!

    The article wrongly starts off by framing this debate in a black or white context. Then, undermines the debate further by suggesting this is a made for TV debate. Come on?

    Companies are moving away from OT! Cablevision and Starbucks were both sued by their workers for OT Violations.

    Councilman Glenn Iannaccone is way off!

    ‘That case alleged that Cablevision neglected to pay around 1,000 permanent company employees for the correct total number of hours they worked. The suit also alleged that the company refused to pay workers overtime when they worked for more than 40 hours per week. ”

    http://www.law360.com/articles/10244/cablevision-settles-pay-dispute

    Starbucks has great coffee but, they also had labor disagreements over OT!

    http://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/Starbucks-settles-suit-over-overtime-pay-1265295.php

    Police OT is simply out of control and it looks like these council members are doing what the people elected them to do. Debate the issues and vote!

    1. @Molly B
      The article does not start out with a black versus white concept. The article depicts what has been going on for months – four people are consistently voting against the rest of the Council, and are consistently making issues about things other Council members think are routine. In this case it’s a legally mandated payment on a contract, which three of the four voted for. Basically, in voting against it, they voted not to pay a bill.
      One of those Council members had the opportunity (and responsibility) to discuss the issue at the Committee level, where the real work is done. Mr. Kimmel said there were police officers present to answer questions. In my experience, non-committee members are welcome at meetings and allowed to ask questions and comment, but none of the Council members who bring this up at the Council meetings took advantage of the opportunity.
      Another thing that has been going on for months is Council members complaining that their time – which as Mr. Watts makes note is unpaid for – is being wasted by these commentaries at Council meetings, which, again, is not where things are hashed out.

      Thank you for recognizing the work that goes into this.

  33. Faye, $180 billion is an awful lot to spend to generate virtually no positive impacts for our children. Yes, in the big studies, there were a handful of tests that showed some positive results — and over a hundred tests that showed none. Regarding the OVERALL impact of Head Start — according to the agency that runs it — was shown in the largest study: “the 2010 study found that access to the program failed to raise the cognitive abilities of participants on 41 measures. Specifically, the language skills, literacy, math skills, and school performance of the participating children failed to improve.” In other words, there was no improvement at all in children’s performance in the academic areas that were the whole point of the program.

    It is a basic tenet of statistical social science that you cannot legitimately claim a program works if the data doesn’t support the claim. We shouldn’t abandon science and go back to medieval reasoning to try and defend a failed program. We should redirect our energies into better programs (such as the NAEYC-based programs Kathleen Montgomery references). We all agree that effective Pre-K is important; this time, after $180 billion of failure, let’s try something different, not just go back to more of the same.

  34. Dawn

    180 billion sounds like a lot. But break it down to all the programs nationwide and it is pennies.
    Let me speak as a person who had a 3 to 5 year old go to NEON then to kindergarten and an 18 month to 3 year old go to NEON then to Brookside pre k.
    Day care for one. Hold can run to 1800 a month. I should stay home for that. But I could not.

    I dropped my child off every day in my 10 year old Toyota. I paid a few hundred monthly (it is based on a sliding scale). I was at the top of the scale. I watched as many dropped their kids in their new Mercedes and BMW and paid ten dollars. They then went home and babysat someone else’s kids off the books and made good money. I hope that the income verification process is improved at the new head start.

    I also can speak to the quality of the program. The pay is low. Very low almost perpetuating the need for the program. Many employees kids are in the programs. I was very lucky. I had two of the most wonderful rooms for my sons. The teachers we’d kind, intelligent, very knowledgable about what they did.

    But as I said I was lucky. I walked the building until I found rooms that were a acceptable. My 3 year olds vocabulary was better than most of the staff in the building.

    You get what you pay for. I do not say that you have to throw more money at the problem. You just have to use the money allotted better. There needs to be fewer chiefs and more mm eu spent on better quality staff. Staff the use proper English. Staff that act appropriately. Staff that have the proper training.

    It needs to be run like a private enterprise. It needs regular oversight. Not just an annual audit.

    I will never say my sons did not benefit from school readiness and head start at NEON. But they did so because I was diligent and involved. Not because of the management of the program. They succeeded almost despite the program.

  35. The Voice Of A Second Chance

    At what point do we stop going wrong, and start going right. I believe we all have some deep down pain from times pass, but understand this when we as a people look pass the pain of the pass that’s when the real work begin to help each other. If someone would put duck tape over our mouth would the community know that you are there to help them. Let’s focus on all of the mismanagement of funds and the lack of jobs. About 1,000 inmates will be release this summer and they need jobs. Lock in a room with the doors wide open, the master key is working together.

  36. Walter O’Reilly

    How did so many ignorant people ever get elected? They have no understanding how government works, so they know how ridiculous they look?

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