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Norwalk looking into safety of road brine


NORWALK, Conn. – Norwalk has suspended its practice of pre-treating its roads with brine before snowstorms pending an investigation into whether the treatment Wednesday played a part in a spate of auto accidents, including one in which a driver was pronounced dead.

Mayor Harry W. Rilling announced the program suspension Thursday at a noon press conference.
Rilling took action after a newspaper’s speculation about the brine’s possible role in the crashes.

“I wanted to make sure we did everything possible to investigate this situation,” Rilling said during the news conference in City Hall.

Under the front page headline “Pre-treated roads to blame for accidents?”, The Hour on Thursday wondered whether the application of liquid brine before an anticipated snowstorm Wednesday led to any of the 14 accidents reported throughout the day.

The story was not based on any complaint about the treatment and did not cite any occurrence of such a problem ever happening or being investigated. Nonetheless, Rilling said the story presented what could be a liability for the city, necessitating suspension of the treatment, which the city has used for several years to prevent icing on pavement.

Rilling said he also ordered Hal Alvord, the director of the Department of Public Works, to conduct skid and brake tests on pavement with the brine solution applied, and those were performed Thursday morning at Calf Pasture Beach Park in East Norwalk.

The city’s highway superintendent, Chris Torre, and Norwalk Police Lt. Paul Vinett, who also attended the news conference, operated the vehicles in the tests.

“I drove on both treated surface and non-treated surface and there was a difference, but a minor difference. It was not significant,” Vinett said. “I was trying to make the car lose control and I was able to maintain control at all times.”

Vinett said the most significant difference was “going from a stop and accelerating too fast. If I accelerated too fast, the tires would spin but the car remained in my control.”

Alvord said an attempt was made during the tests to match the conditions that existed at the time roads were pre-treated on Wednesday.

He said in years past his department occasionally got a call that a driver experienced slipping on a treated road. He attributed this to someone driving close behind a truck streaming the treatment or traveling on a road before the treatment had dried, and compared it to driving in the rain.

He noted, however, that the solution is not applied as a sheet that covers a road’s surface, but instead as several thin streams that leave narrow stripes on the pavement.

Video recordings of the tests were made and will be saved, Rilling said, along with measurements of how the solution was applied, which were automatically generated by equipment in the truck as it applied the brine onto the road.

Vinett said that, based on police officers’ accident report narratives, 10 of Wednesday’s accidents may have been related to pre-treating roads. Rilling said all of Wednesday’s accident reports were being reviewed by Deputy Chief David Wrinn.

Alvord said the brine solution the city uses is specifically formulated for Norwalk based on research his department conducted into the pre-treatment of roads before winter storms. He said the state Department of Transportation and other municipalities were consulted about the process, including rates of application based on pavement temperature.

Kevin Nursick, a spokesman for the state Department of Transportation, said Thursday the state also pre-treats roads with a brine solution, and his department has never received a report of a vehicle sliding on it. He noted, however, that the state only applies it when the pavement temperature is above 32 degrees.

Nursick said the state’s solution, which it mixes itself, contains only salt (25 percent) and water (75 percent). He said the water quickly evaporates and the salt forms into small crystals “that get into the nooks and crannies” of the pavement.

Alvord did not respond to an email asking what the city’s brine solution contains.

Nursick said the state began using the solution seven or eight years ago. Before that, it dropped rock salt on the road which, he said, car tires kick up and throw off the road’s surface, limiting its effectiveness.

After it has begun snowing, Nursick said, the state applies a mixture of rock salt and liquid magnesium to the roads, which causes melting even when the temperature drops down to the single digits.

While use of the brine is suspended, the city will pre-treat the roads with rock salt, Alvord said.

Rilling said the city may have the answer to the brine’s safety within the next couple of days, and will resume using it if it’s found safe.

“We don’t want to make the roads any less safe,” he said, “and if the brine proves to be the best way to make the roads safe, we’ll do that as well.”

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7 responses to “Norwalk looking into safety of road brine”

  1. Paul Persius

    IMO, the problem is the rate of application. After DPW applies the brine, the street is soaked, like it just rained. EVERYONE driving has witnessed this. After the state applies the brine, you can see the white salt lines. Look for white salt lines on Norwalks streets right now…..none, because the entire swath behind the truck is soaked. Look at the beach where they did the test….there are white salt lines, meaning they applied the brine lighter (the correct way) when they did the test at the beach.

  2. Miguel Cuz

    I agree Paul. I noticed the same thing and like you said, on State roasd you see the stripes, but here in Norwalk they seem to cover the entire road surface.

    Just what I noticed driving around the other afternoon.

  3. Facilities Manager

    Apparently the city uses Magnesium Chloride which is known to be slippery if the application is over applied. There was a DPW worker who admitted that they receive it pre-mixed via truck.

    Therefore, it is NOT brine which is what the state uses on the highways.

    You can view more detail here:
    http://www.facilitiesnet.com/groundsmanagement/tip/Snow-and-Ice-Removal-PreTreatment-Strategies–22897#

    The magnesium Chloride will make the roadway appear glossy/shiny if it was used too heavily and not had enough time to set up.

    It’s clear that over application was the root cause of accidents and unless the city employees have proper training and application rates, we will continue to have these problems.

    Workers have to know what the solution mix is when it arrives via truck, what is the ratio of the mix and to follow application rate to avoid over application which leads to slippery roads.

    Blindly applying it without full knowledge is the problem.

  4. Facilities Manager

    It seems the CT DOT DOES use Magnesium Chloride after all:

    http://www.cga.ct.gov/2014/rpt/pdf/2014-R-0001.pdf

    There is conciseness that when applied, it does make surfaces slippery for a short duration and leaves some residual “oil like” substance but not enough to cause excessive loss of traction unless applied incorrectly by using too much from improper equipment designed for other products or rate way too high dialed in as they travel.

  5. Suzanne

    Definitely worth an investigation. Especially if the source is incorrect application.

    It is like fertilizer for your garden though with much more serious consequences. To keep the plants healthy, a concentrated solution is measured in a proportionate amount of water then applied. Too much or too little is detrimental to plant health – like de-icing roads.

    MgCl is better for the environment with NaCl especially destructive. Run-off from Norwalk streets to the Sound can’t be good.

    While all de-icer combinations are not ideal, before workers go out to spread the streets, the correct street spread should be determined as mentioned above based on temperature and anticipated conditions.

    Practically everyone is a driver: this is an issue that affects all of us. I hope Hal Alvord is all over it.

  6. Facilities Manager

    If you read through the CT DOT document, the product is used to “pre-wet” the salt used on the roadways.

    That is a whole different application of the Magnesium Chloride. It was assumed “spray on” application, but the details show they use it to “pre-wet” salt prior to apply standard rock salt alone.

    They claim it helps in retention of the salt to the road and inhibits salt bouncing off the roadways.

    It also points out they do not use it when temps are above 25 degrees.

    Further discussion has to be addressed on how the city was using this product, at what rate and was it used at too high a temperature to do any good.

  7. A slippery situation

    It’s odd that only certain streets were the scene of accidents.

    Why weren’t all the streets having this problem, if it indeed was the brime that caused the crime?

    I’m not buying it. I find this situation to be too salty.

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