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Rilling, Chamber, hoping to get Norwalk charter revision on 2015 ballot

Mayor Harry Rilling
Norwalk Mayor Harry Rilling discusses his first year in office recently in City Hall.

NORWALK, Conn. – One of the biggest disappointments for Mayor Harry Rilling in his first year in office is the difficulty in getting charter revision off the ground, he said.

“Good Lord,” Rilling said, when reminded last month that it was about time to begin running for re-election. “Ergo the need for a 4-year mayor.”

Rilling has the support of the Greater Norwalk Chamber of Commerce, which is pushing to get something on the ballot for the next municipal election. But while Norwalk Republicans acknowledge that they are aware of the issue they say they’re not sure where they stand on the risky business of opening up the charter.

The Chamber’s Board of Directors voted at its mid-November meeting to vigorously support the creation of a Charter Revision Commission, President Ed Musante said in an email.

“Mike Devine, the Chamber’s Vice President of Government Affairs, and I attended meetings of both the DTC and the Executive Committee of the RTC to discuss a very limited version of Charter Revision,” he wrote, listing these goals:

  • Change the term of office for Mayor from two years to four years
  • Increase the pay for Common Council members from $50 per month to $500 per month
  • Look at the feasibility of changing the term of office of Common Council members from two to four years

“It is the Chamber’s hope that a Charter Revision Commission will be appointed early in 2015 so that these items may be on the ballot for November 2015 to become effective with elections in November 2017,” Musante wrote.

Rilling said it’s in the hands of the Common Council. “The mayor can make the request. We mentioned it, we discussed it,” Rilling said. “I brought it up during the campaign as did Mayor Moccia; both of us felt as if it was something necessary and we’re trying to move that forward. In fact, I mentioned it with new leadership of the Council and with the old leadership, on both sides, and told them about my desire to begin those discussions again.”

The creation of a charter revision commission would take a two-thirds majority of the Council, putting it in the Republicans’ hands, Rilling said.

Asked for an opinion, Republican Town Committee Chairman Pete Torrano took issue with Rilling’s “disappointment.”

“I’ve heard nothing from the mayor, I checked with Councilmen and they heard nothing about it,” Torrano said.  While Rilling had talked to then-Council President Doug Hempstead (R-At Large) and then-Majority Leader Jerry Petrini (R-District D) on the phone, “it wasn’t anything that was brought up officially anywhere or discussed in a meaningful way,” Torrano said.

Rilling said he had made numerous phone calls to the Republican Council leadership, and left numerous messages.

“Peter Torrano can try to deflect over to me the responsibility for that but it’s the Common Council,” Rilling said. “… Peter Torrano can throw potshots all he wants, which is normal for him. Instead of taking a high road and a positive road like the Democratic Town Committee chairman, he always tries to throw potshots whenever he feels it’s an opportunity to make a political statement.”

Petrini’s story jibed with Rilling’s. “We’ve talked about it quite a bit and I know he’s a proponent of it, he would love to see it,” Petrini said. “We’ve got some pros and cons, but there’s some difficulties, I would guess, that we’re still trying to iron out.”

Hempstead did not return a request for comment.

Musante and Devine talked to the RTC about two months ago, Torrano said. Rilling said the Chamber met with the Democrats two weeks ago. “It appeared to us that both groups received the request well,” Musante said.

Torrano said the RTC was waiting to hear back from the Democrats. “I can’t tell you because we have to discuss it with the Democrats and there would have to be some understanding of what we would do if we open up the charter,” Torrano said.

“We are aware of it and we are still kind of discussing it. I don’t have an answer one way or another which way we are leaning, but I am still keeping an open mind,” Petrini said.

Democratic Town Committee Chairman Ed Camacho said on Sunday that he had recently discussed the matter with Torrano.

“We’ve agreed to meet very soon to discuss the parameters of any proposed charter revision,” Camacho said. “As yet, the DTC, like the RTC, has taken no official position regarding it, although my sense is that both parties ultimately support the limited charter revision supported by the Chamber, including revising the term of Mayor from two to four years.”

Musante said the Chamber supports the four-year term for Mayor for a variety of reasons including:

  • “It takes a new mayor the better part of a year to understand the details of the position and to become most effective and just as he/she does that it is time to run for re-election.
  • “It provides longer-term stability in policy and makes it easier to attract investment.
  • “It provides a sitting mayor the ability to make decisions that would be good for the longer term than just what might be politically beneficial for an upcoming election (at least for the better part of the four year term).
  • “It should serve to help attract larger fields of qualified candidates willing to leave other employment to serve their city.”

Rilling said that people who come to talk to the mayor with ambitions plans “want to know that that discussion, those agreements, are not going to dissolve if the mayor was no longer elected to the next term. So there is a degree of stability that they feel is necessary in order to make a commitment to the community.”

The 4-year terms for Council members would be staggered like the Board of Education members, he said. One benefit would be less money spent on elections, not only for the city but for those who donate to campaigns.

Rilling said politicians hate to go around asking for money.

“That’s a fact of life in Norwalk, in the state of Connecticut, in the United States in general. But it’s not something that’s very pleasant, it’s not something you like to do. So if you only had to do that every four years it would be more palatable than having to do it every two years,” Rilling said.

In addition, people who are appointed to boards and commissions have terms that are much longer than two years. “The problem is that a mayor comes into the office with his or her vision in mind and unless you get two terms you are not going to be able to get (the commissions to) support you with that vision that you have,” Rilling said, referring specifically to the Zoning Commission, the Planning Commission and the Redevelopment Agency. “Some of the people who are appointed to these boards and commissions could last a lot longer than that mayor. So while there are some checks and balances in that system, and that’s good … It’s very difficult to get those people in place and start moving forward in that direction.”

Council members spend a lot of time in researching and reading materials, Rilling said, explaining, “It takes a tremendous amount of time and energy to be a Council member.”

The $50 a month stipend for Council members dates back to 1935, Rilling said. To bump it up would take charter revision, he said. This might be phased in, going to $250 a month and then up to $500 a month in three or four years, Rilling said.

“Back in 1935, $50 meant something. Right now $50 is really nothing. Once you take taxes out I think it’s somewhere around $46,” Rilling said. “So I think in order to encourage good candidates – I know the people who are serving are good candidates but they are doing so regardless of the stipend – but it would be nice if we would be able to pay them like some of other communities around the state of Connecticut do.”

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11 responses to “Rilling, Chamber, hoping to get Norwalk charter revision on 2015 ballot”

  1. John Hamlin

    A proposal to rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic. The charter revision we need is to establish a city manager or a strong mayor form of government — get the administration of the city away from the council — then it makes sense to extend the term of the mayor to four years. I don’t think we need a longer term for a mayor who isn’t empowered to do much of anything. And paying council members $500 a month? Probably fair for what they have to do now, but the issue should be whether we want the council running (or failing to run) the city as it is now supposed to do. And I hardly think the Council has made a compelling case that they deserve a raise because of anything they’ve accomplished. (You would only support the current form of government if you wanted nothing to get done — oh wow, that’s it — the dysfunction in Norwalk government is INTENTIONAL — it’s the old “all government is evil” crowd at work.) The charter revision we need is to reform the structure, not tinker on the margins. Make it work!

  2. Peter Torrano

    Nancy and Mark,

    The way this story is written it does appear as if I was taking potshots at the Mayor, when in fact I was not. There are times when addressing what the Republicans and others feel are important issues do get to print, and at those times we may take issue with the current administration. Those are not pot-shots, but valid concerns and observations.

    You called and asked if I knew of Mayor Rilling’s statement that he was most disappointed over his inability to move charter revision forward. I did tell you that I had heard nothing about it for the past year. That is a fact. In order to get more information and to assure I was telling you the truth about what we, as the Republican Party knew of this, I called members of the council. the first one I spoke with said he was not aware of any push to change the charter. I then asked to have another councilman call me who was more in the loop, according to your story, (he was in a meeting at the time) and it took two days to hear back from him. Matter of fact, I had to call him as he had not yet returned my call. He told me that the Mayor had spoken about charter revision, but that it had not been moved, or discussed at length.

    I called you back and left a message that described my conversation with the councilman, and told you that I had found out there had been discussions, but not at length and not in depth. I did not know that the mayor, according to him, had left numerous messages with council leaders.

    The first I was aware of the issue was not during the election, since many things are said during an election that never come to fruition, but about three months ago. Peter Nolan, Vice Chairman of the RTC and a member of the Chamber of Commerce contacted me and told me that the Chamber of Commerce was interested in opening up the charter to possibly change the terms of office for the mayor in particular, and possibly for the council as well. It was not presented to me that the mayor wanted to open the charter, but rather the Chamber. I was not approached by the Chamber for a period of time, so I took the time to go to the Chamber office and I spoke with Mr. Musante. He explained what he wanted to suggest and I asked that he attend a meeting of the Executive Committee of the RTC. He accepted and did attend with Mike Devine and gave a presentation. It was understood that he would then contact the DTC and make the same presentation and get back to us for the purpose of having a meeting of the leaders of the parties to talk about the charter. I heard back from other sources and not the Chamber that a meeting had taken place. I was told that no official pronouncements or actions had been taken at that meeting as it may have been poorly attended.

    Yesterday I received a call from Ed Camacho, NDTC Chairman, and we had a productive and cordial conversation, as we always do. We agreed to meet with members of both parties to discuss the matter. We have, as Democrats and Republicans, a mutual interest in some changes that we think important in the charter. The real question is the process of change.

    I told you the truth. I did not take pot shots, but actually went out of my way to assure that what I was telling you was fact. The mayor said he tried speaking with, or did speak with the council leaders about this. I was not made aware of that with the exception of being told that the mayor had contacted at least one of the council people (i did not speak with Jerry Petrini, so was not aware that he was also contacted). It is true that I personally have heard nothing from the Mayor. But, pot shots and trying to make a political statement? No, just telling you what I was aware of as you requested.

    1. @Peter Torrano
      I sent you an email saying that the mayor described the lack of movement toward charter revision as one of the “biggest disappointments” of his first year. I said I had been told that the Chamber had come to talk to the RTC and asked if there was support for charter revision. I didn’t ask about the “biggest disappointment” comment; you zeroed in on that in a subsequent phone call.
      I agree, your voice mail says you called Doug Hempstead and he said there had been no substantive discussions on the matter. I could not connect with Mr. Hempstead to ask him about this and felt uncomfortable putting a second-hand quote in the story.
      The word “potshot” came from the mayor, not me.

  3. Donald Trump

    Since no mayor thinks it important enough, take the part out of the charter where it says the mayor must attend these meetings.

    Section 1-516

    There shall be in said city a Department of Education which shall be under the control of nine members, who shall be electors of the City of Norwalk, and shall be known as the Board of Education. Its members shall be elected as hereinbefore provided.[2] Said Board shall hold a regular meeting each month. The Mayor of said city shall be, ex officio, Chairman of said Board of Education and shall preside at all meetings of said Board.

    You’re fired.

  4. Stuart Wells

    An additional charter revision proposal worth considering is to reduce the size of the municipal ballot by eliminating the elective positions of Selectman, Treasurer, Sheriff, and Constable. The voters do not know what these official do, and the time it takes to total the votes for all these offices is one of the reasons the official election results take so long to compile. In addition, there is the extra cost involved in printing a confusing two-sided ballot.
    If these positions are needed, they can be filled by the mayor and common council as is done for the city’s boards and commissions, including the powerful land use boards and the Board of Estimate and Taxation.
    For example, the two major political parties each nominate four people for constable, and, after the voting, seven of the eight are elected. The common council could just as easily pick the seven, four by the majority caucus and three by the minority caucus.

  5. EastNorwalkChick

    I agree with John Hamlin, I also believe that the majority of our problems of not moving forward lies with the inability of the Council to get anything done. It seems like as soon as one election is over, things start to get addressed, then boom, we are in campaign mode once again.

    We govern this City like it was a small hamlet in the middle of no where with a couple thousand residents, we are a City and we need to govern like one…we need a complete overhaul of how we do business.

  6. Gordon Tully

    While a city manager or strong mayor form of government is undoubtedly the desired obvious ultimate goal, having a 4-year Mayoral term is probably the only way to create enough stability in governance to get that more controversial charter revision enacted. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

  7. John E. Tobin

    These proposals ignore real charter change. Beware of Charter Revision proposals that benefit the politicians by giving them longer terms, no term limits and higher salaries.

  8. Bill

    So now Watts will get $6k and an iPad from the taxpayers?

  9. Lisalen

    If the Mayor had a clue what was going on on BOE, he’d consider charter revision on BOE as well. What about top 10 vote getters, regardless of party affiliation?

  10. Don’t Panic

    I think its interesting that the two party chairs think they have the right to negotiate this on behalf of the entire city when neither represents the largest block–unaffiliateds and neither has made an efforts to find out what their party membership actually thinks.

    Given that none of the members currently elected to either town committee ran on charter reform, and this is not a POLITICAL platform issue, it might behoove everyone to find out what the people of Norwalk want. Either you open the charter revision process up for real change or don’t waste everyone’s time.

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