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Mayor praises McCarthy’s recruitment efforts, but won’t tip hand about fire chief’s future

Norwalk Fire Chief Denis McCarthy
Norwalk Fire Chief Denis McCarthy talks to the Fire Commission on Tuesday.

NORWALK, Conn. — Mayor Harry Rilling  expressed faith Tuesday in embattled Norwalk Fire Chief Denis McCarthy’s efforts to recruit women and members of the minority community.

McCarthy has been battling to keep his job after the Fire Commission in January declined to renew his contract, which expires May 1. The lack of diversity in the department has been seen as a key issue in the Commission’s reluctance, although Rilling has been very tight-lipped about the problems that may or may not have been discussed in numerous executive sessions with the chief. McCarthy’s contract did not come up Tuesday, but a lot of confidence was expressed that new recruiting methods will net better candidates.

There also was a suggestion that a lack of trust might prevent minority firefighters from helping to recruit new firefighters.

The department is ready to advertise for a firm to help the Norwalk Fire Department in increasing its diversity with a Request for Proposals that has been approved by Human Relations & Fair Rent Department Director Adam Bovilsky, McCarthy said, expressing hope that the firm that helped the New Haven Fire Department would be selected. That firm, Morris & McDaniel, has just been hired by Stamford to do a test, replacing one done in January that was found to be unfavorable to women and minorities. McCarthy said watching what happens in Stamford will be instructive.

No one wants an unqualified firefighter, McCarthy said.

“It’s important for everybody, especially the firefighters who are coming into work every day relying on their own safety from the person who sits next to them in the jump seat on the fire truck,” McCarthy said.

The key to getting a more diverse pool of applicants is to not make the written test such an important factor in the hiring process, McCarthy said recently, citing things he had learned in New Haven. The previous practice of only giving interviews to people who score a 92 or better on the written exam has been a pass/fail system, excluding people who might be great firefighters, he said.

“I think we are in agreement that this has to maintain the standards. The testing protocol may be different, but the outcome will not lower the standards by which we hire,” McCarthy said.

Rilling said he had a similar experience as police chief, when a large pool of candidates were methodically interviewed “so that we could make a decision not based simply on the written test.” The person who scores a 90 on the written test might not be a better firefighter than the person who scores an 86, he said.

The mayor then addressed McCarthy.

“I know you are – I just wanted to reaffirm – that you are doing everything within your power to make sure we get a diverse candidate pool, that will include different ethnic groups and females,” Rilling said.

“We’ve had great response from Norwalk Community College and University of New Haven, really opened their doors up to allow us to reach the right people and do it more than just once,” McCarthy said, likening it to advertising in that the message must be repeated several times.

“Is it possible to have another go-around to try and get the firefighters to help you in this endeavor?” Fire Commissioner Oscar Destruge asked. “I know we have a couple of Hispanics in the force and African-Americans, but I’m not sure that you doing it alone without their help is going to help us reach the community.”

He looked at Lefty Petrides, president of the firefighters’ union.

Petrides said it was difficult, with a bigger issue involved. “There’s a trust issue across the board,” he said.

Fire Marshall Broderick Sawyer took on the challenge of recruiting minority members in 2013. He has since been criticized for its lack of success.

“It wasn’t my baby.  It was OUR baby,” Sawyer said in an email. “It became my baby when the process failed to produce minority candidates on the eligibility (hiring) list.”

The recruitment team was successful, he said:

“It was stated publicly that the percentage of minorities taking the written test was over 20 percent. Minorities took the written test, but the problem was that you needed a high score on the written portion to get to the oral portion of the process. I clearly had no control over that.  As I have stated, it wasn’t a problem getting minorities to take the test, it was the high score needed to move on. Did I receive any credit for the percentage of minorities taking the test? I don’t want any credit for it because it was a team effort, but I ended up with plenty of blame for the department’s failure. In fact much of the recruitment I did was nights and weekends when not on duty, at no cost to anyone. That said, after taking the blame for something not directly under my control, why would I ever volunteer to recruit for the Fire Department again?”

Petrides agrees that the written test is the problem.

“I think that if we change the testing process, you’re not lowering standards at all, you will see minorities get on and our better firemen,” Petrides said. “Because right now they are going up against professional test takers and it’s very difficult.”

“You know people probably that could make great firefighters and they never get any further,” Rilling said to Petrides.

“I think the commissioner’s point was a broader process in the department that is involved in the recruitment,” McCarthy said. “Yes, I think that is something that we need to revisit. Once the RFP is out there and we have dates set, we need to have a very aggressive recruitment campaign that includes a very diverse group pf recruiters from the department.”

“Get into the different fire stations, and talk to the men there about the importance of their helping us to reach that diversity level,” Destruge said. “To me it’s personally important and, to the community, it’s the same thing. Everyone is constantly asking, we need more diversity in the fire department.”

Rilling said in January when the Commission declined to renew McCarthy’s contract a new deal might be offered to the chief, which would include the same pay and benefits. The Commission would work with McCarthy to address concerns, he said, prior to making that decision.

There have been four executive sessions with McCarthy since then at Commission meetings dedicated to the topic. Tuesday’s Fire Commission meeting ended with an executive session on an unspecified personnel manner. The city’s website does not, as of Wednesday, list another Fire Commission meeting before the end of the month.

Rilling declined to comment.

Comments

7 responses to “Mayor praises McCarthy’s recruitment efforts, but won’t tip hand about fire chief’s future”

  1. Norewalk Lifer

    I think Rilling should remain tight lipped about this, it has grand implications. So in this regard the Mayor is acting responsibly.

  2. piberman

    Our Mayor, a former Police Chief, appears unfamiliar with conventional management protocols. Remaining silent about the reasons for not renewing the Fire Chief’s contract admist vocal political demands for the Chief’s termination only serves to raise speculation that the non-renewal/termination was political – failure to achieve ethnic hiring goals. So far the Mayor has refused to comment publicly on the BOE discriination claims and firing the Chief. What message does that send about the competency of City government ? Are these “silences” part of the Mayor’s “New Norwalk” stressing “transparency” ?

  3. blue in the face

    Getting minorities with McCarthy at the helm is going to continue to be difficult. His reputation in the community because of his disparate treatment of minorities, more specifically African Americans, is poor. The latest blow to that reputation was the chief being caught in “mistruths” during his recent appearance at a NAACP meeting. He’s also lost credibility within the department resulting in no help with recruiting except for a small committee of white members who have no recruiting experience. Commissioner Destruge suggested he try again but I don’t see that happening.
    Recently Chief McCarthy got into more hot water with the report of impropriety involving funds related to construction of the new fire headquarters. That was supposed to be investigated by City Hall. Where does that stand?
    I think union president Petrides said it best, “there’s a trust issue across the board”.

    Editor’s note: The report of allegations of impropriety remains unsubstantiated.

  4. Sono

    1st. Mr Sawyer is not the Fire Marshall. He might have been promised the job in the future, but as of now, he’s not. NON, you need to check your facts.
    2nd. If Mr Sawyer said the recruitment campaign was successful, of which the chief of the Dept is a part of, then what’s the problem?
    If the chief failed in the recruitment then Mr Sawyer failed as well. If you fire one then fire the other. If nobody wants to help, then don’t complain with the outcome.

    Editor’s note: Mr. Sawyer is not, as reported, the fire marshal. He is a fire inspector, and identifies as acting deputy fire marshal.

  5. Are you kidding?

    Union president Petridis hit the nail on the head “there’s a trust issue across the board,” that says it all!
    Mr. Sawyer’s position is understandable, why would he subject himself to that again?
    You are fooling yourselves if you think the other minority department members didn’t notice what Mr. Sawyer endured by helping someone that has admittedly treated Blacks terribly.
    After readind about that NAACP meeting (thank you NoN) I’ll bet you have a snowball’s chance in hell that current minority members of the department will help, and without their help and encouragement you will have a difficult time.
    It’s unfortunate and sad that everyone is ignoring the fact that this guy publicly admitted treating Black’s differently than White’s in discipline and their loss of loved one’s at a NAACP meeting of all places. What the heck is going on in this town, how can anyone that is NOT racist support this guy?
    It’s a slap in the faces of minority community members if this guy doesn’t get shown the door.
    The testing company they’re looking at just screwed up the Stamford test(The Hour today)what the heck is going on? I don’t see how our mayor and commissioners can ignore his admitted disparate treatment of Black’s under his command,the mayor has faith?
    Of course he is working hard to recruit, he should have been doing this for the entire time he was here, but his job has never been threatened before so he has to now, common sense.
    The worst part is that if he gets an extension he goes right back to the same treatment of Black’s, probably with a vengeance.

  6. Sono

    I believe it’s New Haven the city is looking to. http://m.thehour.com/mobile/news/norwalk/norwalk-to-turn-to-new-haven-for-help-in-hiring/article_f1dabf69-ee4a-5673-8768-ad1b8effd2ab.html

    Don’t want to be involved, don’t complain about the outcome.

    Mr Sawyer like to criticize, but when his incompetence in the recruitment is called into question, he quits.

    Is it true Mr Sawyer has been promised the Fire Marshall job? Was that him knocking on doors campaigning for Mayor Rilling in South Norwalk? I’m sure he hasn’t unofficially campaigned for the Mayor on duty. That would be unethical.

    Does Mr Sawyer get his $75 donation to the Mayor back if the chief keeps his job?

    Can NON find out if Mr Sawyer even passed his test to become an inspector?

  7. Are you kidding?

    @Sono,
    First, I suggest you check the dictionary, you are confusing the words recruit and hiring.
    I’m not sure what he did but you clearly have a strong dislike for Mr. Sawyer, but why aren’t you addressing the chief’s treatment of Black’s?
    Is this treatment acceptable to you? This treatment is why he should be let go, fairly simple to anyone that has common sense.
    Or are you cut from the same cloth as the guy you seem to be poorly attempting to deflect attention from.
    The man admitted publicly he treated Black’s disparately, what more does anyone need?
    If he remains it says a lot about the people who chose to keep him.
    If you want to discuss ethics lets also discuss the treatment of these men under the guy you are trying to deflect attention from.
    Finally the city has avenue’s for you to pursue if an employee does something unethical or is incompetent in their duties.
    It sounds as if you have first hand knowledge of wrongdoing and incompetence by Mr. Sawyer, as a resident I encourage you to bring forward what you know publicly as it is a benefit to our community to remove any employee that’s a detriment to this city,(including the chief)if what you say is true it would be a disservice to Norwalk if you didn’t pursue any wrongdoing you are aware of by a city employee.
    I thank you in advance for being a stand up citizen and protecting our tax dollars.

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