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Oak Hills Authority Chairman says he’s done letting Cantors make ‘personal attacks’

Paul Cantor, right, attend an Oak Hills Park Authority meeting last July. (Archive photo)
Yvonne Myška Lopaur and Paul Cantor attend an Oak Hills Park Authority meeting last July. (Archive photo)

Updated, 3:53 p.m., comment from Elsa Peterson Obuchowski; clarification regarding attempt to response on trees. 

NORWALK, Conn. – Tempers flared at Thursday’s Oak Hills Park Authority meeting, both sides of the dispute say.

Paul Cantor said that comments made by his wife, Yvonne Myška Lopaur, drew derision from Ad Hoc Driving Range Committee Chairman Ernie DesRochers, an account confirmed by an off-the-record source. OHPA Chairman Clyde Mount later expressed unhappiness with Lopaur, Cantor said. Mount and Diane Cece, who attended that part of the meeting, confirmed that account. Mount said Lopaur had made personal attacks.

“Ernie Desrochers laughed contemptuously while Myška was making the following remarks during the public comment segment at tonight’s OHPA meeting and then got up and walked out of the room,” Cantor said in a Thursday night email. “On return he said her remarks made him sick. Then toward the end of the meeting Clyde Mount seconded Desrochers’ comments and also attacked Myška for her remarks.”

Cantor forwarded Lopaur’s written statement:

“In preparation for a multi-million dollar driving range you hope to construct at taxpayer expense you have been cutting down trees right and left.

“Of course from the point of view of Mr. Desrochers who heads your driving range committee that is not a concern.   As he noted in the past he doesn’t give a hoot about the trees.  Now, however, because it serves his purpose of diverting attention from the driving range he attends meetings of the Nature Advisory Committee that OHPA member Elsa Obuchowski has set up.

“Indeed, from Mr. Desrochers point of view the primary purpose of Ms. Obuchowski’s Nature Advisory Committee is to divert attention from his effort to construct the driving range.   Hence perhaps the Committee should be renamed The Driving Range At Whatever the Cost to the Environment Nature Advisory Committee.

“And since Ms. Obuchowski has made it clear in a variety of ways that she is not going to let anyone question the damage construction of the proposed driving range will have on the environment that name would seem more appropriate.  Just consider, for example, these two facts:  First:  Ms. Obuchowski made it clear that her committee’s would not focus on matters having to do with the golf course or the driving range. Second: Ms. Obuchowski kept Scott Kimmich, a resident of Norwalk with a long history of defending the woodlands in the Park, from serving on her committee. And in addition, Ms. Obuchowski who fancies herself as a champion of the environment, defends the use of environmentally damaging chemicals on the golf course, resists pressure on the Authority to seek Audubon certification and now remains silent as you cut down more and more trees in Oak Hills Park.

A tree is cut down at Oak Hills Park. (Photo contributed by Yvonne Myška Lopaur.)
A tree is cut down at Oak Hills Park. (Photo contributed by Yvonne Myška Lopaur.)

“A genuine Nature Advisory Committee would be concerned about the impact the golf course and driving range will have on Nature and the Environment.  So I am here tonight to do what your Nature Advisory Committee should be but is being prevented from doing due to its chair:  i.e. to voice my opposition to the manner your drive for the driving range is leading you to strip the park of scores of trees that add to its natural beauty. No one genuinely concerned with the nature in Oak Hills Park would sit back quietly while (Oak Hills Golf Course superintendent Jim Schell) strips the Park of so many healthy trees to make room for a driving range or cart paths.”

OHPA member Elsa Peterson Obuchowski confirmed the accuracy of Lopaur’s reported remarks. The scope of the Nature Advisory Committee was determined by the Common Council, she said; the committee voted on Kimmich, she said.

“I have no comment to anything specific the Cantors have to say,” DesRochers said in an email. “However, we do not agree on our vision of Oak Hills or its future. His opinions have been well known for years. We have tried to address those and the opinions  of others in our Master Plan through the creation of our Nature Center and our request of the city to designate two large city owned  parcels of land adjacent to Oak Hills as permanently designated parkland.  Those would be part of our proposed nature center and be designated as passive recreation area. They feel that our actions regarding this matter are unacceptable. Feelings noted!”

“I reacted to Mr. Cantor because he yelled out in the meeting during my thanking and commending of Elsa’s work,” Mount said in an email. “He was out of order at the time I reacted. And I as chairman will no longer allow the personal attacks the Cantors make at almost every meeting.”

“This is the first I am hearing of any incivility at the OHPA meeting,” Mayor Harry Rilling said in an email. “I have always said that persons who come forward to speak at public meetings should be treated with civility and respect. However, having said that, I expect members of the public to also conduct themselves properly. Speaking out of turn and other disruptions cannot be allowed to occur unchecked.  That is how I run the Common Council meetings and that is how I expect all meetings to be conducted.

“Not having been at this meeting, I cannot comment on the tone or demeanor of any of the participants.”

Lopaur on Friday morning elaborated on her unhappiness with Peterson Obuchowski:

“I am disappointed by Elsa Obuchowski’s behavior in her divorcing the issue of the effort on behalf of saving the woodlands from the issue of the Environment and Nature of the entire Oak Hills Park.

“And, specifically:

“In her coming out in defense of the environmentally damaging chemical use on the golf course,

“In the way she runs the Nature Advisory Committee, preventing the membership of Scott Kimmich, and making it unwelcome to the public.

“In other words she volunteered herself to be used by the OHPA in their drive for the driving range… Diverting attention from the destruction of environment that is taking place as OHPA is moving to prepare construction of the driving range.”

Peterson Obuchowski had this to say:

“(1) Although it is true that OHPNAC is concerned with the nature areas in the park, not the golf course, this was not something I personally decided; it is in accord with the Common Council-approved Master Plan for Oak Hills Park.

“(2) Although it is true that I did not support Mr. Kimmich becoming a member of OHPNAC at the present time, I did not ‘keep’ him from serving; there was a vote.  I refer you to the OHPNAC minutes of our February meeting, p. 2 (Mr. Kimmich isn’t named, but he is the one under discussion). http://www.norwalkct.org/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/9044

“(3) I wouldn’t say that I ‘fancy myself a champion of the environment’ but, more important, it is not within Ms. Lopaur’s rights to state what I do or don’t fancy myself as.

“(4) The questions of ‘environmentally damaging chemicals,’ Audubon Golf certification, and tree removal have already been dealt with on the record in OHPA meeting minutes going back to last summer. Oak Hills Park Superintendent Jim Schell stated during last night’s meeting that every tree removed or slated for removal has been appropriately marked and that the city’s tree warden, Paul Sotnik, can verify this.”

Neither Sotnik nor Department of Public Works Director Hal Alvord responded to a Friday afternoon email. Schell has said in previous meetings that the trees need to be removed because they have gotten too big for the golf course.

Freshly cut tree stumps at Oak Hills Park. (Photo contributed by Yvonne Myška Lopaur.)
Freshly cut tree stumps at Oak Hills Park. (Photo contributed by Yvonne Myška Lopaur.)

“There are trees that are getting so big they are getting in the way of the game of golf. It would cost far more to build new tees that have a new approach to the green then to remove the trees that have become overgrown,” Schell said in January. “There are also trees that are casting shade and competing with the grass where it would end up costing more inputs, meaning pesticides, water, etc. etc.”

Two cherry trees had just come down, and 35 percent of the limbs were dead, Schell said in January.

The Nature Advisory Committee in February rejected a vocal opponent of the driving range as a member, according to the minutes linked to by Peterson Obuchowski. While Peterson Obuchowski felt it would be good to have a Ledgewood Condominium resident on the committee, she said a conversation with this resident hadn’t gone well, as she tried to explain that it was a committee about the nature areas, not the golf course. It was suggested that the resident could be given a trial membership but that was voted down 4 to 3.

“In OHPA’s March meeting, Mr. Kimmich spoke during public comment (although his name is misspelled in the first draft of the minutes),” Peterson Obuchowski said in a Saturday email. “The gist of his comment was that ‘we expect’ that the $1.5 million grant work should not include messing with the tees or the cart barn or other things [that would prepare for driving range, although he didn’t mention driving range].  Apparently ‘we’ was meant to refer to taxpayers, or those taxpayers who don’t like Oak Hills having an 18-hole golf course.

“Clyde Mount responded that the work to be done on the golf course is heavily detailed in the state grant, and that work will be performed,” she continued. “It includes the tees, etc. as approved by the state. It has been vetted and detailed extensively with the state.”

Lopaur released a letter to the editor last summer attacking the use of pesticides at the park. Norwalk Fire Marshall Broderick Sawyer then inspected the chemical storage at the park, finding what Norwalk Fire Chief Denis McCarthy termed as “minor violations.”

In July, Schell said pesticide use at the park was down, and that he is certified in pesticide application, as is his assistant. Oak Hills follows industry best practices, he said. He ticked off a list of procedures and said, “Most of these are directly from a list that Audubon Cooperative Sanctuaries require golf courses to do. I think almost all of the chemical use reduction and safety items are on our list, things that we already do. There are some other wildlife-type of things that we haven’t really participated in, but that is a different story and that is something we will shoot for some day. It usually takes one to three years to get certified by Audubon.”

Comments

31 responses to “Oak Hills Authority Chairman says he’s done letting Cantors make ‘personal attacks’”

  1. Don’t Panic

    If this is the first time Mayor Rilling is hearing of uncivilized behavior on the part of OHPA members towards members of the public, then he clearly wasn’t paying attention to the coverage of the fight to keep the driving range out of the area where the nature talks are in the run-up to his election.

    Why is he commenting on a meeting he wasn’t there to observe? The Mayor also happens to reside in Ledgebrook. As a resident, was he one of the WNNA members who took a public position during the “survey” they conducted. If so, in the interest of letting the city’s residents understand any conflicts, that should be disclosed.

    1. Mark Chapman

      @panic

      The mayor was sent the comments and was asked for his reaction. His reply was generic, focusing on civility as a two-way street. He specifically said he was not there could not comment on the incident. Nor did he comment on the topic. We asked him to comment because civility has been a major theme for him.

  2. Oldtimer

    When did Paul Sotnik get to be the City’s tree warden ? How does the OHPA justify cutting down trees as if they already had control of two city owned, adjacent parcels of land ? Has the idea of donating those parcels to the Golf Course been discussed or even considered ?

    It is not hard to understand a basic conflict here. The OHPA believes the park need to become a much more commercial business, with potentially heavier traffic they hope a driving range will attract, to survive as a golf course.

    The neighbors, having invested in property for their homes about as far from commercial activity as they could find in Norwalk, see any commercialization of the golf course as a threat to the value of their nearby residential properties. The OHPA has done a terrible job in getting the neighbors on board as supporters of their expansion plans, and has ended up making opponents of their plans, who can be very vocal, and possibly very influential.

    If have suggested here, more than once, when a convicted thief, Bob Virgulak, was long time chairman of OHPA, that an audit, possibly forensic, should be the first step in looking at OHPA financial problems, before any consideration of building a driving range. Virgulak, as an official of the 2nd taxing district, was implicated, and convicted with others, in a scheme to defraud the district. That background hardly qualified him as an ideal choice as chairman of another City board or authority, especially one where cash was handled.

  3. Don’t Panic

    Mark,

    I read the article. A true “no comment” would have involved only the last paragraph. The “on the one hand, on the other hand” formulation sends a message that it is okay for officials to misbehave as long as members of the public are misbehaving.

    No matter how out of order members of the public get, officials can restore order with respect. Creating parity between these two acts is the exact strategy used by the Moccia administration that created the atmosphere of incivility at City Hall in the first place.

  4. Suzanne

    “No matter how out of order members of the public get, officials can restore order with respect. Creating parity between these two acts is the exact strategy used by the Moccia administration that created the atmosphere of incivility at City Hall in the first place.”

    and

    “This is the first I am hearing of any incivility at the OHPA meeting,” Mayor Harry Rilling said in an email. “

    Mr. DesRochers and Mr. Mount will have to deal with the public comments re: Oak Hills whether they like the participants or not.

    That Mr. Cantor and Ms. Lopaur have been the most consistently to criticize what they do is public feedback that is not only allowed but, I would think, should be appreciated.

    Carte blanche to any elected or appointed public official is not the way democracy works. I would hope that public reaction would be carefully considered and, perhaps, integrated into the proceedings not dismissed.

    As to the above: “Don’t Panic” is correct in stating there should be leadership between board members toward public disruption. If the board members want respect, their treatment toward the public should be in kind.

    Walking out of the room during public comment is not only childish and lacking in leadership, misplaced derisive expressions are also, as is yelling out of turn which, I might add, I have seen many on the board do during public testimony with which they disagree.

    As to the Mayor’s statement above, I believe it is clear and hardly generic. ‘

    While I know his responsibilities are great, the behavior of the OHPA along with the high profile place it has in City news makes this comment incredulous. The OHPA has been heavy handed, rude and unprofessional for a long time. It should come as no surprise to anyone, least of all our Mayor.

    Ms. Obuchowski may be playing by the letter of the law but not the spirit. Her comments and facts notwithstanding, she has been a disappointment. To split the “nature areas” from the golf course activities while being a subcommittee of said course cannot be done.

    Putting aside land for permanent park space was disavowed when one of the members of the OHPA made it clear that the land would be managed by the City and could be developed at any time, a “win-win.” “Passive use”, in this case, means no public access at anytime except for those golfers needing to retrieve at Hole 2. Please.

    While expecting an advocate, the OHPA has gained a political ally in the Nature Committee and that was the point: a body/committee they could point to and say, “See? We’re for the environment, we are helping it! We have a committee!”

    There is no fine line advocating for the environment and the golf course. It is very clear. It is golf and all that it entails, like removing mature trees to ensure the game can still be played, to “putting off” the tougher aspects of Audubon certification. Half-hearted attempts are not whole commitments to the environment.

    1. Mark Chapman

      @suzanne

      Perhaps the story was not clear. The mayor was referring to it being the first he had heard about the situation at THAT OHPA meeting, not any OHPA meeting.

  5. piberman

    Will Mr. Chapman ask the Mayor for his views on the bizzare discrimination claim also on the basis that “civility” was a major campaign theme ? If the Mayor gave his public views on Oak Hills and other contentious issues we’d likely move towards resolution and deflate the inevitable charge of inadequate leadership next fall. But the resilience and determination of the Oak Hills folks to seek funding from the City for their “hobby golfers” is impressive. Would that other groups be as determined to get their share of public funding.

    1. Mark Chapman

      @piberman

      If you read the many stories you have commented on you would know the mayor has been asked by us and declined comment.

  6. Suzanne

    Perhaps it would not be politic but the Mayor knows that the OHPA meetings where public comments are allowed are generally disrespectful, contentious and mocking. Whether he knew “THIS meeting” was difficult or not, I would expect his answer to be, “I am not surprised.”

  7. M Murray

    Can’t we find some use for the parts of the park that aren’t involved with golf. Let’s get a place for the youth to be active, like trails and picnic areas. Maybe a youth center so kids have a place to go and hang out in the evenings.

  8. Concerned Norwalk Citizen

    The issue of whether or not the city should invest in a municipal golf course (and there are good arguments both for and against) should be completely separate from attacks on OHPA which is simply doing its job in trying to run the course. The cutting down of trees, the discussions of how to handle financial difficulties, the plans for a nature center and a driving range are part of efforts to improve the park as is exists as golf course. OHPA should be expected to be advocates for the course. As such, the direct criticisms of the committee and its members that have been expressed, are counter-productive and only cause more acrimony.

    Critics of the golf course have proved themselves well able to make their case for more economical and environmentally sound use of park land, and certainly can do so without personally invoking OHPAH members, or pointing fingers at the committee in general. The argument should be about the existence of the course itself and not with OHPA.

  9. Casey Smith

    @ M Murray – The reason that the Oak Hills Park Authority Nature Advisory Committee was created was to do exactly what you are asking for. It is also the reason that Ms. Lopaur is upset because the Advisory Committee is focused on the non-golf portions of the park.

  10. Casey Smith

    Regarding Mr. Cantor’s attitude, I’ve been present at several of the meetings when Mr. Cantor has been out of order and this has been going on for a LONG time. The Cantors have done everything in their power to impede the course, from calling the State to portest about the grant funding to writing numerous letters to the editor and also making baseless accusations about Ms. Obuchowski being under the control of the course superintendent.

    I simply don’t get the uproar over the trees. All trees have a life span and when they reach that time, they have to be removed and replaced. Other times they have to be removed because they are diseased. There were major uproars when the trees at the Lockwood Mathews Mansion were removed for the bike path, and another one back in the day when Martha Stewart had a house on Flax Hill that had pine trees that needed to come down. I love trees as much as the next person and still mourn the plum tree that my parents once had, but having dealt with other trees that were too tall and caused immense damage when they came down due to rot in one case and a storm in another, it’s important to realize when the trees become liabilities or accidents waiting to happen.

  11. Casey Smith

    @ Oldtimer – Paul Sotnick has been the Tree Warden in Norwalk for at least 5 years and probably more.

  12. McKeen Shanogg

    Why aren’t the Cantor-Lopaurs up in arms over the city’s allocation of $40K for the Rowayton boat dock?
    (See story “Norwalk authorizes $40k for Rowayton Community Dock,” April 17.)
    Why should our tax dollars go to fund the leisure hobby of this small minority of well-to-do hobbyists? [sarcasm]

  13. Suzanne

    Your sarcasm is misplaced. Forty thousand dollars is a long way from the one million dollar loan forgiveness the OHPA is requesting from Norwalk (make that the taxpayers.)

  14. EveT

    Have you seen the NY Times article today “China’s Crackdown on Corruption Targets Golf, a ‘Sport for Millionaires’”?

  15. Suzanne

    Mao Zedong condemned the game as a “sport for millionaires,” and courses that had been built for foreigners were turned into public parks, zoos and communal farms.

    Gotta love it.

  16. diane c2

    1) Perhaps it would serve the city well if we were to inform the mayor immediately every time a resident is disrespected and treated with disdain by elected and appointed officials. Sadly, these reports would likely be several times a week.
    Additionally, in this age of cell phone video, residents need to start exposing these episodes on news sites such as this one, and on youtube. Probably just a few postings would send a strong message to Mssrs. Santo, White, Reilly, Mount, Desrochiers, Sheehan, Greene, McCarthy, etc.

    2) As to the public speaking out of turn, I agree that we should all follow the rules, but I also agree that elected and appointed officials can expect to be held to a higher standard of public conduct.

    3) As to the OHPA meeting, I was there for most of it, and it was Mr. Mount who quite deliberately instigated the subsequent interruption from Mr. Cantor.
    And news flash to the OHPA – the public has a RIGHT to describe your actions and decisions as incompetent. This is America, with freedom of speech, remember? By the way, if the shoe fits, wear it.

  17. Gordon Tully

    @Casey Smith – you are on target about the trees. I don’t know what species of trees were taken down, but Norwalk is overrun with weed trees like Norway Maples and Japanese Cherries that people refuse to replace with native or otherwise valuable trees. Not to mention damaged trees that ought to be removed before they kill someone.

    Just because something is green does not make it “natural”. We live in an entirely man-made environment and need to decide what kind of places we want to create. For example, I was certainly grateful for golf courses in the days when I could cross-country ski.

    Golf courses have environmental problems, notably the use of herbicides and water for irrigation. But it is two-faced for home-owners to call a golf course “unnatural” while carefully maintaining an environmental desert of lawn around their own houses and hugging invasive species.

  18. Bill Wrenn

    Mr. Tully’s point is well taken. Homeowners should try to create a nature friendly environment using native plants on their own property and not just jump on OHPA and other city agencies when they don’t.
    But I looked at the trees marked for removal in late winter and most were mature healthy oaks and other native species, not “junk trees.”
    Removing the trees because it was cheaper than moving the golf tees is a bad policy that should not be tolerated in a park that belongs to all the people, not just the OHPA and golfers who use the course.

  19. Yvonne Lopaur

    @Gordon Tully

    You are right that people need to be concerned about water and chemical use on the golf course. They should also be concerned about the trees that are being cut down in Oak Hills Park in order to make room for a driving range or cart paths. See for instance this article that appeared in Natural Life Magazine (http://www.life.ca/naturallife/0804/golf)

    The High Cost of Playing Golf
    by Gene Sager

    When I was considering how to spend my vacation time – a year off from work, a sabbatical – my friend had one word for me: “Golf.” He said that since my nickname is “Green Gene,” I would enjoy the natural setting of a golf course. He contrasted golf with racket ball, saying the latter sport traps you in a concrete box.

    I told my friend I would think about taking up golf and I even went to play the front nine at a local course. I found out that the course was the subject of some controversy ten years ago; a pristine native canyon was destroyed to build it. It is now 150 acres of non-native grass and trees, mowed and trimmed regularly. It is not really a “natural setting,” but it is pretty. The beauty of the course is somewhat disrupted by the golf carts purring about, speeding things up and sparing players the exercise they might have gotten.

    A truly natural setting would have native plants flourishing as parts of the native ecosystem, including the insects, birds, and animals that go with it. By contrast, a golf course is a monoculture: Only the imposed set of plants are allowed, thus mitigating the biodiversity of the area.

    I was still prepared to give golf a chance. Even if golf courses are not really natural, they are at least a welcome break from crowded housing areas, malls and freeways. So I set out to do research on golf courses. The following two well-documented cases gave me pause.

    U.S. Navy Lieutenant George Prior, age 30, died after playing golf on three successive days at the Army Navy Country Club in Arlington, Virginia in August, 1982. At first he had headaches and nausea, then a severe rash; finally his organs shut down and he died of a heart attack. Medical experts agreed that he died because of exposure to Daconil 2787 – a fungicide which was sprayed on the brown spots on the greens.

    Among the many cases involving claims about chemical poisoning is that of the famous golf pro Billy Casper. Over a 20-year period, Casper says he suffered from symptoms including headaches, nausea and undue loss of energy. Doctors diagnosed his condition as “pesticide poisoning.” Casper correlated his symptoms with “heavily sprayed golf courses.”

    Some golf courses did use less poison as a response to public outrage about such cases. But temporary green gestures by greenskeepers do not show us their true colors. Caution by greenskeepers varies over time, depending on media coverage and especially in response to political currents. Although there may be some truly green golf courses, my best advice for golfers today is: “Beware.”

    The issue that finalized my decision about golfing was the use of water on golf courses. Even in the rare locations where there is usually sufficient precipitation, the greens are a special problem. Greens are a kind of artificial environment because they are very closely cropped and subjected to extremely high levels of foot traffic. (As the saying goes, even the world’s worst duffer finally walks onto the green.) So when there is a pause in the usual precipitation rate, heavy watering is required on 18 greens. Waterwise, golf courses are always a threat to our supply.

    Water shortages are a global problem today. In the U.S., 36 states will be facing water shortages this year. The most outrageous situations are in California, Arizona, and New Mexico where there is simply not enough water for golf courses. Water is piped in at great cost in order to create a “golfing oasis.” While residents of Albuquerque are subjected to water rationing laws, the very existence of golf courses seems absurd.

    Golf advocates point to the fact that some courses drill their own wells and even use grey water. But wells further deplete our precious aquifers and public parks should be given priority when the limited amount of high grade grey water is allocated. Parks are for everyone but golf courses are for the special use of a minority – a minority of adults who want to play golf and who can afford the greens fees.

    I priced the greens fees at courses near my home in southern California. A round of golf where I live costs at least $50 and golfers complain that the fees are rising ahead of the cost of living. But surely we must consider environmental costs as well. Golf courses incur a major cost to the environment and hence to us all. If I play golf, I exercise a dubious privilege in a world beset with problems of dwindling wilderness, chemical pollution, and shortage of precious natural resources. All considered, I would have to say that the old stereotype of the golfer as a member of a privileged elite has new validity today. I told my one-word-golf friend that I have one word for him: “No.”

    Gene C. Sager is Professor of Environmental Ethics at Palomar College in San Marcos, California.

  20. M Murray

    Trees are a renewable resource. You can cut them down in one place and plant new ones and there is no net loss. The wooded area around the golf course and is underutilizes. Build some picnic areas and areas so kids can enjoy those areas. Hold events in the area and clear out an area for outdoor music. Make it more like car bury park so not just the gold area is utilized

  21. Oldtimer

    Casey Smith; Thanks for your response. I think I was confused by a recollection, when the street lowering was done in Rowayton near the RR station, that Mr Alvord was mentioned as the tree warden involved in approving the tree removals in that project. This is the first time I have seen Mr Sotnik’s name printed in any news story, in any capacity. City website shows him as an engineer. Are we to believe that he personally visited Oak Hills and inspected and passed judgement on each tree that was cut down ?

  22. Paul Persius

    Is Mr Sotnick an actual arborist?? Is Mr. Alvord?? DOes the City have an arborist on staff, ie someone who is looking out for the best interests of the City and a City Park.

  23. Paul Persius

    So doing a seasch for “Connecticut Licensend Arborists” doesn’t turn up Alvords or Sotnicks names:

    http://www.kellysolutions.com/CT/Applicators/searchbyCategory.asp

    Should an arborist be looking at the trees? Any reports or documentation? How can a tree warden not be an arborist. Something smells/

  24. EveT

    Perhaps the city tree warden will respond Monday to the NoN request for comment.

  25. Casey Smith

    @Oldtimer –

    Norwalk has a Tree Advisory Committee for a number of years, and their last meeting agenda was posted for March 24th of this year.

    Back in 2007, Mr. Alford was the Tree Warden, and Mr. Sotnick was the Deputy Tree Warden. I don’t know when that changed, but about 5 years ago, I think, I heard that Mr. Sotnick was now the Tree Warden.

    From what I understand, being a municipal Tree Warden does not require one to be an arborist. Probably Michael Mushak, who was involved in the Advisory Committee a number of years ago, would be in a better position to answer that question.

    I’m vaguely curious as to whether or not the same furor is raised over trees that may be removed from Shady Beach, Vet’s Park, any of the school properties or Cranbury Park. After reading all these impassioned statements, it almost gives one the impression that these trees that have been earmarked for removal are the only trees in Norwalk.

    The other thing that comes across clearly is that the Cantors have some kind of grudge against the golf course. I don’t know what that grudge is, or why – nor do I care. BUT, I have learned that when people become over involved in a cause, usually there is a hidden agenda. I make it a policy to steer clear of grudge matches for that very reason.

  26. Paul Persius

    I guess I assumed a city the size of Norwalk would hava a staff arborist who would have final say on issues like trees. Sounds to mee like a tree warden is title only and additional background is not necessary to be one. I wonder if it pays more

  27. Casey Smith

    @ Paul Persius –

    I would imagine that the City has contracts with various licensed arborists to deal with the trees as needed. At one point, I believe they used Almstead. Depending on the size and location of the tree, it could be very dangerous for someone who did not know what they were doing to attempt to take down a diseased or dead tree or even one that needs to be removed.

    I think it’s important to remember here that this issue is not about clear cutting a major swarth of trees and building a shopping mall or a block of condos, but the removal of certain trees on a golf course. Replacement trees can be planted in better locations, just like they did at the Lockwood Mathews Mansion.

  28. EveT

    The Oak Hills Park superintendent and maintenance staff are licensed to trim and cut trees up to a certain size. They contract with a licensed arborist when they need assessment of a tree above that size.
    @Casey Smith you are quite right, there are trees cut at various parks all the time, all around Norwalk. And there’s definitely some kind of grudge on the part of the Cantors.

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